Comments on: Warm Demander Pedagogy /online/2022/02/warm-demander-pedagogy/ Fri, 05 Aug 2022 15:27:54 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Greg Kaminski /online/2022/02/warm-demander-pedagogy/#comment-45936 Fri, 18 Feb 2022 19:41:48 +0000 /online/?p=13722#comment-45936 These are great questions, Magda. Thank you for joining the conversation! I don’t know what type of training Drs. Barr and Meese had regarding this technique. I’m guessing that it happened organically for them. I do remember that Dr. Barr was accustomed to making himself vulnerable every day, at least so it appeared to me through his guidance by demonstration. I do not mean to be unkind by saying that his voice was perfect in terms of pitch, but not noteworthy in other ways. He modeled in such a way that there was no judgement in his class, and we were all able to lean in to that vulnerability. To me, it was frightening at the start. To him, it was probably not much more unusual than breathing.

Yes, it would be interesting to see some research about the amygdala and the flight response. There must be some out there, and perhaps some of our psychology instructors have delved into this area. I agree about the fine line in the steps between care and push, avoiding the result of having a student freeze. Personally, I like having “pass” as an option, or at least accepting performance of the task at whatever level the student is able to do at the time. In my case with Dr. Barr, for example, it would mean allowing us to sing one measure instead of the whole line or set of lines. He actually might have done that, but I don’t remember.

Good idea about encouraging students through a private conversation or a heads-up that this will be coming. I’m guessing that our public speaking classes are set up that way with steps toward a major speech, though there are those impromptu speeches – Yikes! Well, it’s another situation many think of when amygdala response is mentioned ;-)

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By: Greg Kaminski /online/2022/02/warm-demander-pedagogy/#comment-45935 Fri, 18 Feb 2022 18:59:04 +0000 /online/?p=13722#comment-45935 Thanks for the post, Austina. I realize that maintaining academic integrity can be a hard nut to crack. It’s a slowly evolving process tied to trust, connection, and the development of intrinsic motivation.

Though it does remind me of being careful of how we phrase things in our syllabus, that some messages can promote a fixed mindset. Carol Dweck offers examples of such statements in her book Mindset: The Psychology of Success, 2016, e.g. “Your exams will all be multiple-choice and you will be observed with an online proctoring tool to ensure you don’t cheat.” We can compare this with statements designed to promote a growth mindset, e.g. “If you don’t earn a complete on all rubric criteria, re-do your assignment, and resubmit it for credit.”

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By: bryan /online/2022/02/warm-demander-pedagogy/#comment-45934 Thu, 17 Feb 2022 00:10:44 +0000 /online/?p=13722#comment-45934 Great discussion, everyone!

Austina … this post for me also came at just the right time.

And Wendy, your comments also came at just the right moment. I agree with you that I have to be careful about what cultural norms (and whose norms they are) that I am asking them to adhere to or uphold.

Greg, I attended at NCORE last year a session on equitable grading. The guy who ran it rubbed me the wrong way as a person, but his ideas were quite good. And I’ve intuitively gone in that direction over the years … although not entirely. It’s more like a slow movement in the ocean.

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By: Magda D'Angelis /online/2022/02/warm-demander-pedagogy/#comment-45933 Wed, 16 Feb 2022 20:55:57 +0000 /online/?p=13722#comment-45933 Hi everyone!

This is an interesting conversation.

The question that came to my mind as I finished reading this wonderful article was: Did Drs. Bar and Meese have training on this technique or did it happen organically for them?

I think that the amygdala would initiate the flight response for many students, perhaps the majority of them. This would be a great area to research. Does anyone know about any data on this?

I am afraid that the intent is well meaning but the impact may not be for many students.

There is a fine line between demanding warmly/pushing and caring and moving students to perform and be vulnerable, without causing a student freeze, have a panic attack or flee. The approach does matter. Maybe approaching and encouraging in private? Giving a student a “heads up” that this might be coming?

Good materials to ponder.

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By: Greg Kaminski /online/2022/02/warm-demander-pedagogy/#comment-45932 Wed, 16 Feb 2022 18:17:22 +0000 /online/?p=13722#comment-45932 As I read your insightful comment, Wendy, contract grading came to mind, and I wonder if you’ve tried it. I know that a number of composition instructors have used it as a way to engage their students in a more intrinsically motivated way, a strategy meant to empower students. I imagine if contract grading were combined with an increase in choice of ways to achieve the learning outcomes, it could lead to an increase in intrinsic motivation. I have used contract grading with mixed results, and I plan to try it again with adjustments. There are a few strong proponents of this method within the English SAC, and I could help you get in touch if interested. Here are a couple of resources:

I Have Seen the Glories of the Grading Contract…, John Warner,

So Your Instructor is Using Contract Grading…Dan Melzer, D.J. Quinn, Lisa Sperber, Sarah Faye,

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By: Austina Fong /online/2022/02/warm-demander-pedagogy/#comment-45931 Wed, 16 Feb 2022 18:13:57 +0000 /online/?p=13722#comment-45931 A very insightful post, Greg, thank you. It came at the perfect time for me when dealing with the challenges and frustrations of students not maintaining academic integrity during self-proctored midterm exams. This warm demander approach is very common for me at the beginning of the term, and then the monotony of the term (grading, grading, grading) sometimes kicks me into survival mode. This was a great reminder of our empowering role as educators.

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By: Greg Kaminski /online/2022/02/warm-demander-pedagogy/#comment-45930 Wed, 16 Feb 2022 16:47:51 +0000 /online/?p=13722#comment-45930 Thanks for these great questions, Alyson. Clearly, we could dedicate additional blog posts to this topic, and I hope others will continue the discussion, sharing thoughts and strategies that have worked. To start us off, here are a couple of ideas that come to mind…

When I think of expressing personal warmth, using video will help with this, e.g. for a welcoming instructor introduction or occasionally for feedback. Just so everyone is aware, in addition to using tools with D2L Brightspace for video/audio, PCC also owns a license for VoiceThread, which can be used in place of a few of the text based discussions. Providing helpful information about our class through the “Course Details” page along with links to a brief welcome video and a syllabus or even an introductory part of the syllabus can help build rapport and trust. Showing some degree of flexibility in the syllabus for life’s events can be helpful, or at least to rethink the use of rigid statements such as “No make-up exams or late work accepted.”

I’ll close this by offering another potentially useful resource. “Warm, Wise Feedback that supports High Standards + Effort + Ability + Specific Action” is a guide for giving feedback that is designed to inspire a growth mindset, . This one focuses on a math course as an example, but it can be adapted for any discipline. (Created by the California Education Learning Lab under a CC-BY-NC license.) I look forward to hearing from others about strategies that have worked!

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By: Wendy /online/2022/02/warm-demander-pedagogy/#comment-45929 Wed, 16 Feb 2022 16:18:49 +0000 /online/?p=13722#comment-45929 I too enjoyed this, especially because I bristle at the phrase “warm demander” even though, in practice, rigor and compassion matter deeply to me. I think my issue is with the “how” we get them to feel safe enough to be less passive, more internally motivated, and to trust themselves. I worry that if I appear to be “too” concerned in their success or failure as students (not in them as people, just the performance part) that I am reinforcing the sense that they are doing school to please the teacher, their parents, or the world, and my goal is always to access a bit their feisty self empowered nature–the part of them that wants the learning “in spite” of the challenges.

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By: Greg Kaminski /online/2022/02/warm-demander-pedagogy/#comment-45928 Wed, 16 Feb 2022 04:44:59 +0000 /online/?p=13722#comment-45928 Thanks for insightful comment, Bryan. Yes, the situation sounds familiar, and success is often elusive. Persistence in reaching out to students sometimes works. I sometimes feel that I’m being quite bothersome, though in a positive way, and I think it makes a student feel valued. I do get frustrated about spending 80% of my time with 20% of the students, but sometimes that’s what it takes. Perhaps you already use some sort of “getting to know you” survey at the start of the course. It can be helpful to ask students how they are feeling about the class right at the beginning. It can be helpful to send video feedback to a student who shares anxiety or insecurity about the class. I sometimes try to include more video feedback to students who might benefit from a more personalized approach, though to all students at least once during the term. I also like to schedule a required but brief 1-1 meeting with all students during the first few weeks to help build a connection and trust, but there’s no magic potion.

I’m glad you brought up the student focus on grades. Those of you who attended the Anderson Conference session on equitable grading might remember this research quote, “If a paper is returned with both a grade and a comment, many students will pay attention to the grade and ignore the comment. Comments have the best chance of being read as descriptive if they are not accompanied by a grade.” (Brookhart, How to Give Effective Feedback to Your Students, 2017) This is material for another blog, but have you considered “Ungrading?” I haven’t tried it, but I plan to give it a closer look, possibly for fall term. (If you’re curious, take a look at .)

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By: Alyson /online/2022/02/warm-demander-pedagogy/#comment-45927 Tue, 15 Feb 2022 23:03:01 +0000 /online/?p=13722#comment-45927 Thank you Greg, for this thoughful post. I am interested in hearing examples of how the characteristics of a warm demander are applied in the online classroom, specifically, how does one express personal warmth vs. impersonal professionalism,
prioritize building rapport and trust, and earn the right to demand engagement and effort?
Wonderful read!

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